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		<title>By: Devilish Southern Belle</title>
		<link>http://www.nickifaulk.com/2008/09/04/sticks-and-stones/comment-page-1/#comment-20873</link>
		<dc:creator>Devilish Southern Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 06:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most schools have a zero-tolerance policy for bullying.  If I am not mistaken, it is against the law for the school to know about bullying and not put a stop to it.  (or maybe I&#039;m wrong).  I know they can only work with what they know about, so they will only be aware of what Jessie and/or you let them know about, but the school is obligated, if not required,  to discipline the bully.  

I wish I had been more aware of how to better handle bullies when my youngest son was a bit younger.  The bullying he took, that he didn&#039;t let me know about for the longest time, has caused a change in attitude that has him clashing with other students and teachers alike.  It&#039;s a nightmare.

&lt;em&gt;Devilish Southern Belle&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DevilishSouthernBelle/~3/383005745/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;That was quite a workout.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most schools have a zero-tolerance policy for bullying.  If I am not mistaken, it is against the law for the school to know about bullying and not put a stop to it.  (or maybe I&#8217;m wrong).  I know they can only work with what they know about, so they will only be aware of what Jessie and/or you let them know about, but the school is obligated, if not required,  to discipline the bully.  </p>
<p>I wish I had been more aware of how to better handle bullies when my youngest son was a bit younger.  The bullying he took, that he didn&#8217;t let me know about for the longest time, has caused a change in attitude that has him clashing with other students and teachers alike.  It&#8217;s a nightmare.</p>
<p><em>Devilish Southern Belle&#8217;s last blog post: <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/DevilishSouthernBelle/~3/383005745/">That was quite a workout.</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t switch schools.  You&#039;ll be teaching her to run away from her problems. Terrorists can&#039;t intimidate us and win and that&#039;s exactly what these kids are.  It&#039;s too bad she doesn&#039;t have an older brother who could straighten these kids out.  I have had words with a child who teased my son on his baseball team because he didn&#039;t speak English perfectly when he was 7.  I told him it what he said wasn&#039;t nice at all and he better not say anything like that again. He could tell I was really mad.  I think just telling a kid you&#039;re on to them and that you wouldn&#039;t hesitate to call their parents or take her to the principal would probably frighten them enough to stop.  I would also recommend a karate class for confidence.  Luckily my son is one of the biggest kids in his class now and he tries to protect smaller kids from getting picked on by bullies.  Sadly I&#039;ve heard that parents of bullies usually either refuse to believe their child is a bully or simply don&#039;t care, but you never know until you try talking to them but of course that&#039;s a last resort.   If the parents don&#039;t care and the bully sees that there are no consequences, things could get worse.  That&#039;s why I&#039;d rely on the school to assist.

&lt;em&gt;Scott Allan&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scottallan.com/2008/09/listen-to-a-little-sarah-barracuda.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Listen to a little Sarah Barracuda&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t switch schools.  You&#8217;ll be teaching her to run away from her problems. Terrorists can&#8217;t intimidate us and win and that&#8217;s exactly what these kids are.  It&#8217;s too bad she doesn&#8217;t have an older brother who could straighten these kids out.  I have had words with a child who teased my son on his baseball team because he didn&#8217;t speak English perfectly when he was 7.  I told him it what he said wasn&#8217;t nice at all and he better not say anything like that again. He could tell I was really mad.  I think just telling a kid you&#8217;re on to them and that you wouldn&#8217;t hesitate to call their parents or take her to the principal would probably frighten them enough to stop.  I would also recommend a karate class for confidence.  Luckily my son is one of the biggest kids in his class now and he tries to protect smaller kids from getting picked on by bullies.  Sadly I&#8217;ve heard that parents of bullies usually either refuse to believe their child is a bully or simply don&#8217;t care, but you never know until you try talking to them but of course that&#8217;s a last resort.   If the parents don&#8217;t care and the bully sees that there are no consequences, things could get worse.  That&#8217;s why I&#8217;d rely on the school to assist.</p>
<p><em>Scott Allan&#8217;s last blog post: <a href="http://www.scottallan.com/2008/09/listen-to-a-little-sarah-barracuda.html">Listen to a little Sarah Barracuda</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicki,

You know my personality.  I know this probably won&#039;t work with Jessie because she&#039;s so gentle.  But here&#039;s my two cents.  The next time one of those little bitches TOUCHES her in any threatening way, she should retaliate with extreme prejudice.  If she&#039;s holding in the hurt and rage these little fuckers have caused her, she should let it explode all over their asses.  You have tried to settle this matter, and if the school will not I believe Jessie will have to learn to stand up for, and if absolutely necessary defend herself.  If things escalate to her being shoved, that&#039;s assault and she has every right to beat the shit out of them.

Sorry, I&#039;m just mad because somebody is messing with my best friends&#039; daughter.   :!:  :!:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicki,</p>
<p>You know my personality.  I know this probably won&#8217;t work with Jessie because she&#8217;s so gentle.  But here&#8217;s my two cents.  The next time one of those little bitches TOUCHES her in any threatening way, she should retaliate with extreme prejudice.  If she&#8217;s holding in the hurt and rage these little fuckers have caused her, she should let it explode all over their asses.  You have tried to settle this matter, and if the school will not I believe Jessie will have to learn to stand up for, and if absolutely necessary defend herself.  If things escalate to her being shoved, that&#8217;s assault and she has every right to beat the shit out of them.</p>
<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m just mad because somebody is messing with my best friends&#8217; daughter.   <img class="lmbbox_smileys_img" src="http://www.nickifaulk.com/wp-content/plugins/lmbbox-smileys/smileys/wp/exclaim.gif" alt=":!:" />  <img class="lmbbox_smileys_img" src="http://www.nickifaulk.com/wp-content/plugins/lmbbox-smileys/smileys/wp/exclaim.gif" alt=":!:" /></p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love y&#039;all, I really do.  *sniff*  :)

The vice principal is a very nice lady and strikes me as someone who&#039;s very capable.  She assured me that she will look into this and implement some changes to keep it from happening again.

That said, if I hear of it happening again, I&#039;ll be back up at the school and will involve the principal.  If it goes to that level, I will definitely request a meeting with all of the other parents.

I&#039;m hopeful, and Jessie thanked us this afternoon in a very sweet note for coming up to the school today to help her with her &quot;problem.&quot;

Re: schools/moving -- there is a private school in our area, but there&#039;s a waiting list and it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;expensive&lt;/em&gt;.  I would love to homeschool her, but we can&#039;t afford for one of us to be out of work right now.  As I look at it, we like where we live ... and I&#039;ll be DAMNED if we are going to move because of these little SHITS!

Thank you all for sharing your experience and advice.  Love y&#039;all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love y&#8217;all, I really do.  *sniff*  <img class="lmbbox_smileys_img" src="http://www.nickifaulk.com/wp-content/plugins/lmbbox-smileys/smileys/wp/smile.gif" alt=":)" /></p>
<p>The vice principal is a very nice lady and strikes me as someone who&#8217;s very capable.  She assured me that she will look into this and implement some changes to keep it from happening again.</p>
<p>That said, if I hear of it happening again, I&#8217;ll be back up at the school and will involve the principal.  If it goes to that level, I will definitely request a meeting with all of the other parents.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hopeful, and Jessie thanked us this afternoon in a very sweet note for coming up to the school today to help her with her &#8220;problem.&#8221;</p>
<p>Re: schools/moving &#8212; there is a private school in our area, but there&#8217;s a waiting list and it&#8217;s <em>expensive</em>.  I would love to homeschool her, but we can&#8217;t afford for one of us to be out of work right now.  As I look at it, we like where we live &#8230; and I&#8217;ll be DAMNED if we are going to move because of these little SHITS!</p>
<p>Thank you all for sharing your experience and advice.  Love y&#8217;all!</p>
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		<title>By: seejanemom</title>
		<link>http://www.nickifaulk.com/2008/09/04/sticks-and-stones/comment-page-1/#comment-20620</link>
		<dc:creator>seejanemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know...I don&#039;t give a flat fucking FIG what they say about &quot;turning the other cheek&quot;---it is a sticks and stones thing, like you said. I would tell your daughter to make certain---CERTAIN--(not in the bathroom---but in the car line for instance)--- there are WITNESSES, and LOTS OF THEM...to this trash talking, and the FIRST----THE VERY FUCKING FIRST---- time she gets shoved again...SHE BITCH SLAPS THE MUD out of that little C*NT. WHOLE HAND...(let her practice on something at home---piss her off---get her mad---she&#039;ll do it....)

I DO NOT take kindly to the coddling that bullies get in public AND private schools these days. Self esteem and tuition are two lame reasons....

If the little coven of bitches who are bothering her aren&#039;t going to the principle&#039;s office for what they are doing, when she beats the stuffing out of their little training bras THEY WILL ALL GET TO GO AND EACH WILL BE FORCED TO DO THE CARPET DANCE in front of the authorities.

Then it will ALL come out how she didnt start it...etc...because they ALL need to be in there and get ot out in the open once and for all. And I woudl stand shoulder to shoulder with her for DEFENDING herself and I would NOT PERMIT HER TO GO TO SUSPENSION for fighting. She is merely taking care of what the pussyassed principle WOULDN&#039;&#039;T. 

And GET AN ATTY if they push to discipline HER.

As a public shool teacher way back&gt;&gt;&gt;threatening to sue them WILL get their attention.

Because I have told my two children, &quot;YOU had better NEVER be the one to start a fight, but you had DAMNED WELL be the one to finish it.

The other girls will get wind and leave her alone. It only takes kicking ONE ass to get the others in line. TRUST ME.

Being a girl is tough, and I am glad I have sons, because a fist fight is so much easier for boys. Girls feel stymied, but they shouldn&#039;t ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!

BOL. sweetie. I tought we had DONE eighth grade (in my case) and I am NOT enjoying the repeat....it sucked THEN, it sucks worse NOW.
xoxoxoxo

&lt;em&gt;seejanemom&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thekidalog.com/seejanemom/2008/09/mrs-palin-goes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mrs. Palin Goes To Washington With THE PEOPLE&#039;S POINTER FINGER&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know&#8230;I don&#8217;t give a flat fucking FIG what they say about &#8220;turning the other cheek&#8221;&#8212;it is a sticks and stones thing, like you said. I would tell your daughter to make certain&#8212;CERTAIN&#8211;(not in the bathroom&#8212;but in the car line for instance)&#8212; there are WITNESSES, and LOTS OF THEM&#8230;to this trash talking, and the FIRST&#8212;-THE VERY FUCKING FIRST&#8212;- time she gets shoved again&#8230;SHE BITCH SLAPS THE MUD out of that little C*NT. WHOLE HAND&#8230;(let her practice on something at home&#8212;piss her off&#8212;get her mad&#8212;she&#8217;ll do it&#8230;.)</p>
<p>I DO NOT take kindly to the coddling that bullies get in public AND private schools these days. Self esteem and tuition are two lame reasons&#8230;.</p>
<p>If the little coven of bitches who are bothering her aren&#8217;t going to the principle&#8217;s office for what they are doing, when she beats the stuffing out of their little training bras THEY WILL ALL GET TO GO AND EACH WILL BE FORCED TO DO THE CARPET DANCE in front of the authorities.</p>
<p>Then it will ALL come out how she didnt start it&#8230;etc&#8230;because they ALL need to be in there and get ot out in the open once and for all. And I woudl stand shoulder to shoulder with her for DEFENDING herself and I would NOT PERMIT HER TO GO TO SUSPENSION for fighting. She is merely taking care of what the pussyassed principle WOULDN&#8221;T. </p>
<p>And GET AN ATTY if they push to discipline HER.</p>
<p>As a public shool teacher way back&gt;&gt;&gt;threatening to sue them WILL get their attention.</p>
<p>Because I have told my two children, &#8220;YOU had better NEVER be the one to start a fight, but you had DAMNED WELL be the one to finish it.</p>
<p>The other girls will get wind and leave her alone. It only takes kicking ONE ass to get the others in line. TRUST ME.</p>
<p>Being a girl is tough, and I am glad I have sons, because a fist fight is so much easier for boys. Girls feel stymied, but they shouldn&#8217;t ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!</p>
<p>BOL. sweetie. I tought we had DONE eighth grade (in my case) and I am NOT enjoying the repeat&#8230;.it sucked THEN, it sucks worse NOW.<br />
xoxoxoxo</p>
<p><em>seejanemom&#8217;s last blog post: <a href="http://www.thekidalog.com/seejanemom/2008/09/mrs-palin-goes.html">Mrs. Palin Goes To Washington With THE PEOPLE&#8217;S POINTER FINGER</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Doc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 20:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sighs* Kids can be incredibly cruel and it sounds as if &quot;Buffy&quot; has self-esteem issues of her own. That&#039;s really sad. It&#039;s no excuse for the behavior though.

Please tell Jessie that we&#039;re thinking of her  *Hugs*

Doc &amp; Mandy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*sighs* Kids can be incredibly cruel and it sounds as if &#8220;Buffy&#8221; has self-esteem issues of her own. That&#8217;s really sad. It&#8217;s no excuse for the behavior though.</p>
<p>Please tell Jessie that we&#8217;re thinking of her  *Hugs*</p>
<p>Doc &amp; Mandy</p>
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		<title>By: CD Junior</title>
		<link>http://www.nickifaulk.com/2008/09/04/sticks-and-stones/comment-page-1/#comment-20618</link>
		<dc:creator>CD Junior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My kids are 9 and 10 and they face the same problems but they took Tae Kwon Do for 3 years so far and they don&#039;t get pushed around. I also told them when I was young I was best friends with the biggest and toughest kid in the school so when someone went after me they knew they were going after both of us. With problem kids that you have talked with the school about before it is best to have a lawyer on retainer and have them give the school Principal a call.

&lt;em&gt;CD Junior&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://family-of-lawyers.blogspot.com/2008/09/lawyers-on-vacation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lawyers on VACATION&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My kids are 9 and 10 and they face the same problems but they took Tae Kwon Do for 3 years so far and they don&#8217;t get pushed around. I also told them when I was young I was best friends with the biggest and toughest kid in the school so when someone went after me they knew they were going after both of us. With problem kids that you have talked with the school about before it is best to have a lawyer on retainer and have them give the school Principal a call.</p>
<p><em>CD Junior&#8217;s last blog post: <a href="http://family-of-lawyers.blogspot.com/2008/09/lawyers-on-vacation.html">Lawyers on VACATION</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Greta Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greta Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope her school has a No Bullying Policy like ours does. They don&#039;t tolerate it at all. Get the guidance counselor involved too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope her school has a No Bullying Policy like ours does. They don&#8217;t tolerate it at all. Get the guidance counselor involved too.</p>
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		<title>By: BethW</title>
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		<dc:creator>BethW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicki,

I hate to say it, but you may just have to move Jessie. Are there other schools in the district? In this case, there should be no problem moving her. I&#039;m not sure of your finances, but maybe a private school or homeschooling? (We homeschool, so I&#039;m biased.) Besides that, be a thorn in the principle&#039;s side until something is truly done about this. Ask for a meeting between you and &quot;Buffy&quot;&#039;s parents in the principle&#039;s office. (Sometimes that helps... sometimes not so much...) 

I wish I had more advice for you...

&lt;em&gt;BethW&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://yeahrightwhatever.blogspot.com/2008/09/explaining-differences.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Explaining the Differences&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicki,</p>
<p>I hate to say it, but you may just have to move Jessie. Are there other schools in the district? In this case, there should be no problem moving her. I&#8217;m not sure of your finances, but maybe a private school or homeschooling? (We homeschool, so I&#8217;m biased.) Besides that, be a thorn in the principle&#8217;s side until something is truly done about this. Ask for a meeting between you and &#8220;Buffy&#8221;&#8217;s parents in the principle&#8217;s office. (Sometimes that helps&#8230; sometimes not so much&#8230;) </p>
<p>I wish I had more advice for you&#8230;</p>
<p><em>BethW&#8217;s last blog post: <a href="http://yeahrightwhatever.blogspot.com/2008/09/explaining-differences.html">Explaining the Differences</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullying made me the man I am today.

That being said, it made me feel really sad reading that. I&#039;ve been there, standing in the office of some teacher, who really doesn&#039;t seem interested.

I had to writer a letter to the head of school in order for something to be done, and even then it was only a tempban on the bullies.

Lets be honest with you on her side the lil&#039; bastards don&#039;t stand a chance, and if you crumble under the pressure i&#039;ll get a flight over and knock them out.

Playground bullying/name calling is a part of growing up, but violence and abuse is not on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullying made me the man I am today.</p>
<p>That being said, it made me feel really sad reading that. I&#8217;ve been there, standing in the office of some teacher, who really doesn&#8217;t seem interested.</p>
<p>I had to writer a letter to the head of school in order for something to be done, and even then it was only a tempban on the bullies.</p>
<p>Lets be honest with you on her side the lil&#8217; bastards don&#8217;t stand a chance, and if you crumble under the pressure i&#8217;ll get a flight over and knock them out.</p>
<p>Playground bullying/name calling is a part of growing up, but violence and abuse is not on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Events like this DO leave a scar on children&#039;s souls. A certain amount of it, there&#039;s no way of getting away from and it&#039;s part of childhood. But when things escalate to this level, *something* needs to be done!

I applaud you and Jim for following through with this. If nothing else comes from it, that will show Jessie you are both protecting her and looking out for her. After all, children start out small for a reason, and they need to know they will be protected.

My thoughts are this: if the principal can&#039;t or won&#039;t fix this (and by God, children have a RIGHT to be safe at their own school!), demand a meeting with the other girls and their parents to discuss the issue.

There are other schools in the country that have programs to deal with school bullies. You might do some Googling to find them, and present them as an idea to the principal.

When bullying gets to *this* point, it&#039;s crossed the line from being just another  of childhood and into harassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Events like this DO leave a scar on children&#8217;s souls. A certain amount of it, there&#8217;s no way of getting away from and it&#8217;s part of childhood. But when things escalate to this level, *something* needs to be done!</p>
<p>I applaud you and Jim for following through with this. If nothing else comes from it, that will show Jessie you are both protecting her and looking out for her. After all, children start out small for a reason, and they need to know they will be protected.</p>
<p>My thoughts are this: if the principal can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t fix this (and by God, children have a RIGHT to be safe at their own school!), demand a meeting with the other girls and their parents to discuss the issue.</p>
<p>There are other schools in the country that have programs to deal with school bullies. You might do some Googling to find them, and present them as an idea to the principal.</p>
<p>When bullying gets to *this* point, it&#8217;s crossed the line from being just another  of childhood and into harassment.</p>
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